31
Oct

Behind the black hair dye and white make-up goths are simply art lovers, who aspire to middle-class values, says a new study. Is that right?

The moment their teenage son or daughter dyes their hair black and starts getting creative with eyeliner can be a nightmare for parents. But a report suggests it should be a time for celebration.

Goths are likely to grow up to be doctors, lawyers or architects, the study by Sussex University says.

They are refined and sensitive, keen on poetry and books, not big on drugs or anti-social behaviour. They are also likely to carry on being goths into their adult life.

They have an ability to express their feelings and are believers in romance rather than one-night stands, it says. In fact, the only things dark about them are their clothing and their sarcastic sense of humour.

WHY GOTHS?
The term comes from Germanic tribe that invaded the Roman Empire in the 3rd to 5th centuries
Goth was thought to be first used to describe bands around 1979, with Joy Division and Siouxsie and the Banshees
There are sub cultures within the sub culture, such as cyber goths
Goth band Bauhaus graced the cover of Smash Hits in 1982

“They won’t like me saying it, but their lifestyle, unlike the punk scene, is a middle-class sub culture,” says Dunja Brill, who carried out the study.

“They are usually intelligent youngsters who have rejected the idea that teenagers must fulfil certain criteria.”

But is that right? Will the pale faced, sullen-looking teenage goth next door end up being your bank manager in 10 years’ time? The Magazine headed to the gothic Mecca that is Camden Market to find out.

“Where I live it’s usually the chavs who start all the trouble not the goths, so I think we are quite a peaceful lot,” says Antoinette Drakes, 16.

“We just mind our own business and get on with what we like to do. But goths are like any other group, a lot depends on the individual.

“On the whole we are quite sensitive but you get some who aren’t, who are just posers and are just on the pull. Some will end up being doctors and some will end up being unemployed. Goths are a mix of personalities, just like everyone else.”

Antoinette Drakes

‘Chavs cause trouble’

But Keeley Dale, 18, says the study is just putting another label on goths.

“It’s always about labels in today’s society and that exactly why I dress the way I do, I don’t want to fit into other people’s stereotypes,” she says.

“So I’m not only a goth now, I’m also aspiring middle class. What is that anyway? I don’t want to be a doctor and read the Daily Telegraph, I want to be a writer and read whatever takes my fancy.

“There are some things that I do recognise in this research, goths can be sensitive and aren’t usually violent, but at the end of the day I think such things depend on the person, not the way they choose to dress.”

Mia Joseph, 40, has been a goth since her early teens and says it is a way of life for her now. She runs a market stall specialising in gothic wear, leather and PVC.

Threatening

“It’s not about fitting in to a particular subculture, this is just my life. I’m beyond thinking of myself as a goth, I’m just me.

“There are characteristics in the study that I think are true, goths do tend to be peaceful and sensitive, interested in literature and it is a way of life for many that continues long into adulthood. Why that is middle class I don’t know.

“I think people are a lot more accepting of us now. Years ago people found my piercing and tattoos threatening, now they are part of everyday life. A lot of people have their nose pierced or a tattoo.

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“I have grannies who come up to me and say they wish they’d been able to dress the way I do when they were younger.”

But there is one trait that seems to cross all teenage sub cultures, whatever they wear, whatever music they listen to and whatever a study says - and that is sex.

“Of course I want to fall in love, but I’m fully prepared to try out quite a few ladies to find the right one,” says Dan Taylor, 18.

“I’m still a hormonally-charged teenager after all, as well as a goth.”


Keeley shouldn’t worry about Goth’s reading the Daily Telegraph. Goth’s tend to have socialist political views. Furthermore from 10 years of being a Goth I’d say they are more class less than middle class, that’s sort of the appeal of the scene.
Vicky, London

I tend to agree with this column, Most of “us” have jobs and we mostly work in high tech where its not what you look like, but can you do the job! Yeah the older ones look at the newbies with pride because they tend turn out ok.
Bill, San Jose Ca. USA

I’ve been a goth for well over ten years now, it’s a big part of my identity. I’m currently a phD student researching Chemistry, and although it may suprise some people, I’m not even the only goth in my lab. It’s good to see that someone is attempting to shake off the bad image we goths sometimes get.
Ross Forgan, Edinburgh

Back in 80-84 my mates and I loved the banshees and the cure,they would do the eyeliner and the black lippy while I was happy to listen to the music.
None of them are doctors or lawyers or fulfilling artistic ambition of any kind.neither are they still cutting around in pvc trousers or slashed t shirts…they have grown up…they have kids of their own and no doubt will fret just like our folks over their sons and daughters going out dressed ‘like that!’ the only sustainable element of the goth era was the music…it was brilliant then and brilliant now! Robert Smith for Prime Minister!
mic docherty, Cairo Egypt

I am a 40-something Goth (and have been since my late teens), so is my teenager daughter and my 20-something partner. I would say its definitely a way of life for a me but although I am educated to degree level, I wouldn’t say I have particularly middle-class values. I foresee being a ‘Goth’ until the day I die as it is a part of who I am rather than just a fashion trend or a phase I am going through.
Vicky, Leicester

being a goth myself i agree that goths are more likely to be intelligent and artistic. i come from a working class background, so don’t agree that it’s a middle-class thing. but it’s certainly fun to be in the company of like-minded people
eamonn, brighton

Please don’t lump Siouxsie and the Banshees in with the terrible ‘Goth’ movement. The Banshees may have inadvertantly started the movement but they couldn’t control it. Thats why its so bad!
Goth is pure pantomime- silly clothes, silly music by fools for fools. Sisters of Mercy, The Mission, Fields of the Nephilim- all vile. The Banshees were musical innovators- its a shame Goth didn’t take more notice to them…
Simon Jones, London

This is news? Goths have always started off as the kids who were bullied at school for being intelligent or geeky, so of course they’ll end up in the more prestigious jobs. It’s the “normal” blokes wearing white shirts and drinking Stella that cause the trouble in town centres at night. This is obvious to anyone who’s actually met a goth and who doesn’t just rely on tabloid stereotypes.
Alice, Brighton

I get accused of being a goth because of the black hair, piercings, evil demeanor etc. But i’m not a real goth (or is that the test?)- i work for the National Trust and do loads of activism with Greenpeace and other groups in my spare time. I wish other “goths” would be less mopey and apathetic and down on the world and take action to change it instead of just superficial aesthetic rebellion!
Felicity, London

It makes perfect sense that authorities and people generally frown on Goths. Goths quite simply have learned to think for themselves and express their own views. Something not generally approved by the state

Paolo
Paolo, St Albans

I certainly would prefer a child of mine to be a goth than some tracksuited-baseball-cap-wearing gobby hoody. I know which one would concern me more! I would certainly hold out more hope of a goth actually knuckling down and getting on in life.
Mary, London

Yet more stereotyping and thinly-veiled patronising. Attitude and lifestyle maketh not the goth - it’s a club and music scene and nothing more. Those who choose to take the fashion onto the streets are very welcome to - I myself show a tad of it at times - but it’s becoming very tiresome to see every black-wearing, shelley-reading intellectual labeled as such. The BBC misses the point once again
Tom, Reading, UK

During the late ’80s and early ’90s I got in to being a goth. The music, the scene and above all the people were brilliant, absolute diamonds. Although we’ve all grown up and drifted apart there are few days when I don’t think back to those heady days when we were head to toe in black. Goths shouldn’t be afraid of labels and certainly shouldn’t be afraid to shatter the paradigms. As to the middle class bit, now I’m a Chartered Marketer… Guilty as charged I guess.
Scott, Tamworth (previously Swindon)

Given her rejection of the concept surely Keeley shouldn’t label the middle classes as ‘doctors who read the Daily Telegraph’?
Laura, Lincoln

Why do people need to follow like sheep and label their taste. I have always had my own personal and very individual style,considered in my teens to my 30’s,as gothy, weird,striking, unusual etc.Some elements of which are very much still here(I am now 50)but more in tune with my changing shape and years!!I never wanted to look like anyone else or follow anyone else, and if someone thought my image was bad or a problem, it was actually their problem, I know who I am.

jan, suffolk

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29
Oct

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Geoff is sitting on a small, hard bed in a Cambodian brothel, his heart thumping fast.

He is 49 years old, a retired Australian diplomat with a wife and two grown-up children.

After a long, tense wait, a grinning teenaged boy opens the door and pushes in two young girls.

One says she is seven years old. The other is nine.

The younger one seems as nervous as Geoff, breathing heavily, as the boy explains exactly what she will do for $60.

Geoff sits back on the bed, a deliberately casual move, but it enables the top button on his shirt to point directly towards the girls’ faces.

Hidden within that button is a tiny video camera and microphone.

‘Drugged’

A sign in Phnom Penh warning about child sexual exploitation

Authorities are warning about the dangers of child sex tourism

Geoff, not his real name, is an undercover investigator wading through the depravity of Cambodia’s paedophile industry.

He works for an international organisation dedicated to fighting injustice.

“The adrenalin is always pumping,” he says, “no matter how many times you do it.”

More often that not, the girls are drugged.

One of them described it to Geoff as feeling “like you’re not really there.” Some get an injection before each client.

Geoff works mainly in the capital, Phnom Penh, walking along grimy, jostling streets.

In the city centre there are plenty of brothels popular with so-called sex tourists.

Many of the girls in them are obviously under 18, the age of consent here, but their clients either do not realise, or do not care.

But out in the suburbs are places like Svay Pak.

For years this narrow clutter of bars and coffee shops has hidden what many believe was the world’s top destination for paedophiles.

Geoff is well prepared.

He has his hidden camera, a can of pepper spray, a tracking device, and at least four assistants at close hand, ready to spring him if things turn ugly.

Many brothels are run by ruthless Vietnamese gangs.

Some are owned or protected by senior Cambodian police officers.

“The risks are real,” says Geoff. “My wife was concerned to start with, but she’s very supportive now.”

Undercover

Inside the brothel, Geoff is often trapped behind up to three sets of locked doors.

Only then are the children brought out and offered to him.

He talks, films, then uses one of half a dozen standard excuses to leave. “I’m just going to go and get a friend, and we’ll be back soon.”


Sometimes the foreign tourists are only arrested when they get back to their own countries and confronted with Geoff’s footage

Once he walked in on an elderly European man, raping an eight-year-old girl. “For like two seconds,” he says, “I just couldn’t move.

“I remember seeing his clothes hanging on a peg. I guess it’s lucky we’re not allowed to be armed. I could have…” his voice trails off.

Instead, Geoff stuck to his undercover role, and closed the door.

Outside, a few minutes later, he alerted the police, but the man slipped out through a back door.

Local involvement

It can be frustrating, Geoff admits, but there is the compensation of knowing that as a direct result of his work, seven foreign paedophiles have been arrested in the past year-and-a-half.

And today Svay Pak is pretty much closed down, although Geoff knows that the children and their handlers will simply have moved on somewhere else.

Sometimes the foreign tourists are only arrested when they get back to their own countries and are confronted with Geoff’s footage.

But the vast majority of cases involve Cambodians.

Moral dilemma

In February, Geoff gave evidence at a local trial in Phnom Penh. He co-operates closely, but secretly, with the Cambodian police.

The judge questioned three girls, aged 13 and 14, who had been rescued from a brothel.

They told their story, then asked the judge if they could stay and hear their abuser sentenced.

He got 15 years. “Not long enough,” the girls told Geoff.


Most diplomats have privately accused the foreign group of doing more harm than good

As you can imagine, Geoff’s work is rarely straightforward. There is corruption in the police force and there are other complications and ethical dilemmas about his job.

Say he asks a pimp to provide him with lots of girls or boys, is Geoff helping to rescue victims or could he be encouraging the brothel to go out and search for new children to corrupt?

Local involvement

A few months ago, another foreign group working to protect children from the sex industry organised a raid on a brothel.

It turned out the place was owned by a particularly powerful policeman.

A huge scandal followed and now everyone is jittery.

Most diplomats have privately accused the foreign group of doing more harm than good.

And Geoff complains that it now takes him many days, instead of hours, to get the police to authorise new raids.

But still he is busy.

When I called him yesterday he sounded elated. He had just finished another raid.

Three girls rescued, the youngest aged eleven. Two Vietnamese adults now in jail.

Geoff comes across as the solid, unflappable type. At weekends he plays rugby.

“After each operation,” he says, “I need to take a couple of deep breaths. But there is no psychological damage, at least nothing now.

“Someone has to do this job. I guess it might as well be me.”

From Our Own Correspondent was broadcast on Saturday, 11 June, 2005 at 1130 BST on BBC Radio 4. Please check the programme schedules for World Service transmission times.


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Will women outperform men entirely within 20 years? It’s the scenario played out in this week’s BBC Two drama documentary If… women ruled the world?

Baroness Greenfield explains why men could be surplus to requirements.

The future could be female for many reasons: perhaps the most obvious is that we will shift increasingly from manufacturing industries, requiring muscle power, to work with our brains in front of the screen.

Women, therefore, will no longer be disadvantaged because they are unable to tote the barge and shift the bale. More importantly, flexible working from home will not be so difficult to combine with looking after children.

If… women ruled the world

Wednesday, 31 March 2004, at 2100 BST on BBC Two

On the other hand, the conflict, that we know all too well, of work versus child-bearing and rearing, might also be helped by technologies enabling us, for example, to freeze and thaw our eggs.

Imagine, therefore, harvesting your eggs at the age of 18 or so when they are in optimum condition, knowing that you could then choose at what stage in your life you might want to reproduce.

You could therefore plan a career and appropriate breaks safe in the knowledge that perhaps with IVF and even a surrogate womb you could, nonetheless, still be a parent.

Genetic donors

In fact, the genetic technologies could well do far more in terms of our concept of birth.

Baroness Susan Greenfield


Separating reproduction from sex does not disenfranchise men entirely



Baroness Susan Greenfield

Some might think that men will no longer be needed; indeed, it could be possible in the longer future to extract genetic material from any cell in the body and combine it in an evacuated egg so that any one of any sexual orientation of any age could become parents.

This scenario has raised the strange prospect of at least possibly six parents: genetic donors, the donor of the egg, the donor of the womb and, indeed the people who brought the child up.

On the other hand, separating reproduction from sex does not disenfranchise men entirely: we are a very long way from the Orgasmatron of Barbarella fame. Indeed, it is hard to see how cyber simulation could substitute for a fulfilling, loving and physical relationship.

Then again, it could well be that the new technologies render us more autistic: less inclined and able to communicate, and therefore happier in front of a screen rather than talking to, let alone loving, our fellow man.

We could face a scenario where the old divisions between masculinity and femininity do, indeed, cease to have any use or need.

By this time, human beings, as we know them, will have changed so dramatically that we could no longer assume we would be in a “It’s Raining Men” type-world, in which women were just naturally dominant, and males the subordinate group.

More probably, it is not so much that men could be extinct, as opposed to our family lives changing dramatically.

Just as the barrier between work and leisure is eroded, so will be the barrier between retirement and work, a job for life, as well as the generational child/parent/grandparent storyline that we are used to.


Baroness Greenfield took part in the BBC television programme If… women ruled the world.

The programme was broadcast in the UK on BBC Two on Wednesday, 31 March, 2004 at 2100 BST.



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One of the Internet’s main governing bodies, Icann, has just finished its latest public meeting in Puerto Rico.

After a week of debates on subjects like Accountability and Transparency Management, and workshops on Domain Tasting, delegates, representatives and interested observers are all heading home, wondering whether anything useful has been achieved. Icann, founded in 1988 by the US Government to take over responsibility for key aspects of the internet’s technical architecture like domain names and IP addresses, has had a troubled history. Many question its legitimacy, since it derives its authority from the US rather than the worldwide network community. Others question its commitment to openness and dialogue, especially in relation to the UN-run Internet Governance Forum. And others wonder if Icann is really up to the job, pointing to its cumbersome bureaucracy, exemplified by the disastrous way it handled the proposal to create a new top level domain, .xxx, for sex sites. After years of discussion the creation of this new domain, intended as a way of identifying pornographic websites to make them both easier to find and easier to avoid, was postponed because of objections from US politicians and then abandoned in March 2007.

Bill Thompson


The core architecture of the net should be as open as possible, both in terms of the technology and in terms of any restrictions on freedom of expression

Whatever criticisms there may be, Icann is currently the lead authority on most of the technical aspects of the internet, so trying to engage with it and make it more effective is the only real option for those concerned with the net’s future. It is therefore reassuring that much of the discussion in San Juan was related to transparency and accountability, looking at how the organisation can be improved.

Immediate problem
Long-term improvements will be welcomed, but there is a more immediate problem for net users. Icann is currently making some decisions that will have a massive impact on the net over the next few years, and we need to make sure that it takes into account the wider feelings of the whole community instead of responding solely to pressure from established interest groups. These decisions concern the future of domain names, and in particular on the creation and management of the generic top-level domains, or gTLDs. There are fifteen of these at the moment, including .com, .net and .info, but the process of adding new ones is made complex, bureaucratic and - as we have seen with .xxx - subject to political interference. A recent report from an Icann working group called for new domain names to be carefully regulated, and that names should be censored according to “legal norms relating to morality and public order”, ruling out rude, abusive or culturally sensitive words.

Well-argued
The idea that Icann should be a global censor for the network worries cyber rights activist Wendy Seltzer, a fellow at the Berkman Center for Internet & Society at Harvard Law School who used to work for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. In a series of well-argued and entertaining postings on her blog she has argued persuasively that we need more openness, more experimentation and more risk-taking with gTLDs as part of the policy-making process. She believes that ICANN should set technical standards but stay away from acting as a moral guardian of the network. Seltzer believes that any control over what is acceptable or not should be imposed at local level, by countries or even institutions.

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Proposals for a .xxx domain name were rejected by Icann

If Saudi Arabia objects to the .allah domain or the Vatican city dislikes .jesus then they will be free to block them, but we should not limit the capabilities of the network just because of these sectional interests. As she puts it, “rather than supporting a race to the bottom to adopt restrictions on the lines of the most restrictive government views of permissible expression (no human rights, sexuality, or “hate”), we must leave it to the governments to apply those restrictions at the edges too, in their own jurisdictions if they insist, but not at the center on all”. This seems the only possible position to take. Regulating the internet is technically feasible, as the governments of China, the US and the UK have all demonstrated in their different ways, but this can be handled locally. The core architecture should be as open as possible, both in terms of the technology and in terms of any restrictions on freedom of expression. The United Nations Universal Declaration on Human Rights, adopted nearly 60 years ago, established what were considered fundamental freedoms, giving national governments the power to restrict them “solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society”. We should expect the same from Icann. The rules governing the internet should be universal and support freedom from the start, rather than giving every interest group, lobbying organisation and corrupt government a veto. If we give in over domain names we will find it impossible to argue effectively over new developments in networking as they emerge. We can’t know what great things are going to be invented in the coming years, and locking them into a politically controlled framework can only limit their potential. Regulating the network to confirm with community standards and local laws is one thing, but limiting what it can do just in case it upsets someone is short-sighted, dangerous and indefensible. And while I may not like what you are saying, I’ll fight for your right to give it a domain name.

Bill Thompson is an independent journalist and regular commentator on the BBC World Service programme Digital Planet.

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13
Oct

Polyester A-line navy blue skirts, woggles, itchy air hostess-style hats, sewn-on badges for homemaking, first aid, making fires, knots and doing semaphore - my memories of the girl guides circa 1984.

But, it seems, life for a 21st-century member of the UK’s largest youth organisation for girls is now a very different experience.

Young women have ditched the woggles and navy skirts for T-shirts, rugby shirts, hoodies and jeans.

And while they can still learn how to make fires and administer first aid, they also get badges for knowledge of healthy lifestyles, world issues, circus skills, films and mastering the computer.

Flat-pack skills

Homemaking - one of the more backward-looking badges from my guiding days - has vanished, something a politically minded friend of mine will be pleased to hear after her 80s protest against it due to being a self-declared young “feminist”.

Guide badges from 1910 (Pic: Girlguiding UK)

In 1910 badges were earned for milking cows and lace making

But, with a survey this week revealing that young women now want to learn about safe sex, assembling flat-pack furniture, managing money and writing a CV, it seems the guiding movement in the UK may well be forced to change yet further.

Denise King, chief executive of Girlguiding UK, says it has been essential for the movement to “constantly evolve” during its 97-year history to keep pace with the changing needs of members.

“But while the detail of what we offer our members has changed, our traditional values have stayed constant,” she says.

“We have always aimed to help girls and young women gain the confidence, skills and experiences necessary to broaden their horizons and reach for new goals.”

Two girl guides today (Pic: Girlguiding UK)

Modern guide uniforms are more casual

And the movement has changed a great deal since it was set up in 1910 after a group of girls turned up the previous year at a Scouting rally at Crystal Palace demanding to join in with the boys.

At that time, young women were given awards for milking cows, making lace, carpentry and sending telegraphs.

And in 1957 badges included Homemaker (lay and light a fire, make beds, make a jam or pickle), Commonwealth (keep a scrapbook about a colony), Hostess and even Rabbit Keeper.

Changing roles

But 50 years later, young women are now able to learn how to plan parties, use computers and live independently as well as cycle and travel the world.

Another type of merit even allows young guides to participate in beauty-related activities such as having face masks, massages and manicures.

Guide badges from 1957 and today (Pic: Girlguiding UK)

The Commonwealth badge of 1957 and the party planner of today

“Guiding has evolved over time, just as the roles of women in society have,” Ms King says. “The badges have changed over time, in line with our members’ needs and interests.”

And this has been the secret of its continuing success, she insists.

According to the movement, more than half of women in Britain have been involved in guiding at some point during their lives, with celebrity members including presenters Cat Deeley, Lorraine Kelly and Carole Vorderman, cook Delia Smith and model Kate Moss.

There are currently 10 million members worldwide, of which 500,000 are in the UK. And there is even a waiting list of 50,000.

“Most importantly, guiding is fun,” Ms King says, explaining its popularity. “We give girls and young women an opportunity to gain new experiences, learn new skills, and make friends in a safe, girl-only environment.”

Adult members

And while guiding - including brownies and the older guides - mainly include girls between the ages of seven and 14, some stay on into adulthood.

Emma Joyce, 23, from Chiswick, west London, is still a member after joining as a seven-year-old and believes the movement and its badges are still relevant to young girls.

Guides in 1910 (Pic: Girlguiding UK)

Guides looked very different in 1910

“As with any organisation, to keep people interested it has to evolve and change with society,” she says.

“I think the movement modernised recently and started to take girls seriously and give them a voice. The badges have changed too, for example we now have computing and communication.

“It is all about working in the community, meeting new people - it is a great social thing as well as being active.”

So although the itchy hats and the homemaking have gone, the institution of girl guiding looks set to stay.


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